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 Sat Jan 26, 2008 « recent »
* Inkygirl *
Filk FAQ
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 Above: Following my New Year's Resolution to do more drawing just for fun, I created the above for Illustration Friday. This week's topic: "Tales and Legends." I created this in Corel Painter using a variety of brushes and their variants including Sponge, Pen, and Airbrush. And here's my daily Doodle:  Title: "Contentment." Also did this in Corel Painter. Since starting to paint with real acrylics, I've become more aware of colours. In the drawing above, I experimented with an earth-tone palette rather than my usual turquoise-blue faves. 
Above: I've revamped the graphics for the Canadian Blog Awards, including the award graphics. Yes, I know I only discovered the CBAs a few days ago but I thought the graphics needed a Canadian beaver, eh? :-). I approached the CBA people and they said yes. I am SO in love with Scrivener these days. I'm using the Screenplay option, tweaking the formatting to suit my graphic novel script. I don't even have to use the shortcut keys (saving on typing) but just hit the TAB key to automatically get the right formatting for page headings, panel headings, scene descriptions, character names, parenthetical directions, and dialogue. Makes me wonder what the MS Word people think of all this. MS Word handles automatic style selection as well, but I've been finding Word increasingly more frustrating; I often feel like I'm trying to wrestle with a 500-feature three foot power tool just to cut an apple.
madfilkentist: "Mostly the music, though both have to be worthwhile to get me to listen to a song repeatedly. This depends on the kind of song, though. In filk the lyrics tend to be more important, especially if it's something to an existing tune." clothsprogs: "Lyrics. A tune I like is important but the vast majority of music I like to listen to has lyrics, and I like to be able to follw them (which is why most opera is out and I don't listen to many things with non-English lyrics). For the most part, I regard songs as stories set to music, so I want to be able to follow the plot."
oreouk: "I'm (mostly) indiscriminate. Good tune is key for singing along to things I like that I've picked up from the radio, but filk is almost all story songs (in a way that non-filk is less likely to be) and I like my story songs to have good lyrics. There are German filks that I adore though, and I haven't a clue what the lyrics are, so it's tune (and performance ability) all the way there." phillip2637: "I think that for me there's a difference between "the hook" and a song's long-term appeal. The hook that catches me first may be words or music, but to be something that I play repeatedly over time, there usually needs to be some resonant meaning in the words. (Though, I *can* name a few instrumental pieces that communicate to me as clearly as anything with lyrics.)"
stevieannie: "I've been thinking about this recently myself. I had a small inheritance at New Year, and I spent a bit of it on buying myself an iPod Nano and I've been having an incredibly good time loading lots of music on it, and generally having a soundtrack to my life, in a way that I haven't done since I stopped listening to my walkman after I stopped working in London. The thing with walkmans and CD players was that the media were so clunky that you could only carry two or three around with you, so if you had a long commute, you tended to listen to the same albums over and over again. This intense repeated listening really made lyrics very important to me. The albums on which I adore the lyrics are almost always those that I listened to repeatedly for weeks on end - "Broadsword and the Beast" by Jethro Tull, for instance.
Every now and then, though, I'll find an artist who just gets it perfectly *right*. I bought Christine Kane's "Right Outta Nowhere" album from iTunes because the title track makes me cry every time, not out of sadness, but just because the lyrics are so completely *perfect* for where I am right now." billroper: "Generally, a song has to have a lyrical hook -- usually in the chorus -- if it's going to attract my interest. At that point, it will drag me in to listen to the rest of the lyrics. See, for example, the chorus from Don't Fear the Reaper: "Seasons don't fear the reaper, Or Maxwell's Silver Hammer: "Bang, bang, Maxwell's Silver Hammer came down upon her head. Now, don't you want to go back and see what the heck was going on before the chorus hit? :)
"Our house is a very, very, very fine house From the writing side, I observe that -- if a song I am writing is going to have a chorus -- those are almost always the first words that get written down and the first music that gets set. Which is tangential to the original discussion, but... Anyway, if I'm listening to music, the lyrics are clearly more important. If I'm just using it as background filler, then it would be the music." ldwheeler: "They're so intertwined that it's hard to separate the two. Generally, the music has to be compelling enough to draw my interest enough to focus on the lyrics. On the other hand, there's a lot of folk-tradition songs that use a basic, fairly similar, almost-template melody, but it works for them. (Same with various blues stylings, certain elements of country, etc. -- heh, a number of classic, seminal country songs are, essentially, filks of earlier classic, seminal country songs.)
Lyrically, I've held that a song needs a strong opening line/couplet/stanza to grab the listeners at the beginning and draw them in. I made a full post a couple years ago on the subject -- and don't have time to look it up and link right now -- but a few of the examples I gave follow: I wouldn't mind if you died! Ookla are particularly good at this: "Poor Gary Coleman, he's had things hard" ... "I'm 5-foot-11 standing in six feet of snow" ... "I am a gambler, I am fortune's son" ...
Holy Moses! I have been renewed! I've tried to apply that to my own songwriting, and I'm kind of happy with the opening lines of "Let Me In": peteralway: "I hear the music first. As a youth, I pretty much ignored or couldn't make out the lyrics of the pop music I listened to. Good lyrics are the icing on the cake for me, and on rare occasions they really mean something to me, but for the most part it's the music. I find writing lyrics particularly hard--I have a hard time figuring out if they are any good, even by my own standards. I often see people quoting lyrics they think are particularly good or particularly horrible, and often I can't tell which goes into which pile. But music, yes, I can tell if I like it right away."
andpuff: "Hmmmm... I very much dislike music where I can't make out the lyrics or the lyrics make no sense so right off the top, I'd have to say lyrics. Except, the lyrics and the melody line are so entirely interlinked that I suppose the actual answer would have to be both. I've only just started being able to "hear" and appreciate music beyond the melody line." markiv1111: "had spent my whole life insisting that I always needed to get into the lyrics first, and that if the lyrics weren't pretty well marvelous, I would walk away from the song. I don't know when this changed, but there are now a lot of songs where the music is just totally paramount. I agree with a lot of people who have posted on this thread."
markbernstein: "I'd say that lyrics are slightly more important to me. Inability to understand most of the lyrics is one of the two biggest factors keeping me from enjoying most modern rock. (The other is the dominance of the drum track.) I do love a good tune, and agree that a better tune makes a better song. But great lyrics paired with a repetitive tune (as happens with some filks and old ballads) will keep my attention, while a good tune paired with poor lyrics won't make my replay list. (As an obnoxious example, "Afternoon Delight" has a very catchy tune. On a slightly more controversial note, I've long maintained that the musical "Les Miserables" has beautiful music, and English-language lyrics that range from thuddingly obvious and banal to genuinely awful.) It's really more complex than that. For one thing, there's a big difference between stupid lyrics and silly-fun lyrics ("Hockey Monkey", "Witch Doctor"). For another, quality is a spectrum, so you might have a great melody with OK lyrics, an OK melody with slightly better than average lyrics, and so on. And I love good instrumental music, both classical and jazz." keristor: "Since the majority of what I listen to, and buy, is pure instrumental it's fairly obvious that I go for the music. Even a lot of music with lyrics I like has 'nonsense' lyrics or very obscure, like Yes ("Yesterday a morning came, a smile upon your face / Ceasar's Palace, morning glory, silly human race / On a sailing ship to nowhere, leaving any place / If the summer turns to winter, yours is no disgrace!") where the words are being used mainly for their sound rather than meaning and are effectively another instrument.
As I was out walking the streets of Laredo That's a mixture of at least two songs to that tune plus a line from "Away in a Manger" which got in there by accident. I didn't care, the words all fitted the music, it's all the same to me..." singlemaltsilk: "Though I'm lyrically driven, a poorly constructed or generic melody can still compromise a song for me, regardless of the quality of the lyrics. But if the lyrics themselves aren't up to snuff, the song is a non-starter for me, no matter how lovely the melody." mbumby: "In _general_ I want lyrics that I like -- but the best of lyrics can be destroyed by a nasty tune, or raucous noises where a melody should be.
If I understand a bit of the words, and there's a great tune, I may not listen hard to understand all the words... but if I start to understand them and decide they're stupid, or get frustrated because I can't understand what the heck the song is about, that'll pretty much ruin a song for me." aryana-filker: re: music or lyrics -- "I try to focus on both. When it comes to filk music, it's mostly "lyrics first"." angharads-house: "Lyrics I should think, if the song is sung in a range or style that would not be within my grasp. On the other hand, if I am in mind of perhaps learning and eventually singing that song, or using it as a starting point for something else quite different altogether, I shall focus on the music and, inevitably, the phrasing thereof. (parenthetically, have been wrapping my head round When Fall Comes To New England, and pondering what its springtime equivalent might be)."
I generally like three types of music for two different purposes. 1) Non-English lyrics in a language I can't speak. I used this as background for writing; I let my imagination go and it helps me compose. 2) Orchestral soundtracks,usually epic, for the same reasons. 3) Just for listening, English lyrics that have some meaning or which trigger images and flights of fancy in my imagination. Jane Siberry, for example. If you analyze her printed lyrics it's just hippy dippy silliness but heard sung, they're surreal and odd and can be quite inspiring. Science tells us that song lyrics are processed by the brain in a different way than spoken words, and that they're stored in a different part of the brain. Makes sense to me." thewayofeeyore: Music vs lyrics -- "Music when I start writing/creating a song. Lyrics when it get to the editing phase. Which are more important to you? msminlr: "Lyrics, absolutely. Most of the time. Every now and then a song that I have no idea what the words are about just has such a magnificent tune that I can't resist it. Exhibit A: Julia Ecklar's "Burnish Me Bright". But even IT has a plot. Of sorts." surrdave: "Two ends of a continuum. But I'll say this, 'She Loves You' loses nothing in translation." | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
